Request for scissors
It appears the jurors requested scissors to get into some of the exhibits. Man, I hope no one gets mad and uses those things as a weapon.
Well, we are breaking in five minutes. So, I will not write again, unless something happens. The jurors will be on break until 2, and then deliberation will begin again.
Well, we are breaking in five minutes. So, I will not write again, unless something happens. The jurors will be on break until 2, and then deliberation will begin again.
posted by THE HICKORY DAILY RECORD at at
12:23 PM
73 Comments:
sounds to me like jurors wants another FREE lunch at JK take them to burger king every day and this trial will be over what a wast of tax payers money.
can anyone tell me if the jury was allowed to hear Emily's attorney's testimony about wanting a divorce?
Thanks.
does anyone else think that the Judge thinks Jerry is innocent?
I have no idea how anyone can tell what the judge is thinking. I do believe he is ensuring that Jerry is getting a fair trial. I have read a lot of opinions on this BLOG and there seems to be those that believe (FOR SURE) that Jerry is not guilty. There are others that believe (FOR SURE) that Jerry is guilty and then there are those that are waiting for the jury to tell us what they believe. I have read nothing that even hints at what the judge or jury are thinking. If I missed something, will someone please enlighten me. Thanks!
Who is Jonni Joyce? What is the resume for?
Yes i think the judge thinks he is innocent. Be nice if jerry could have a big steak dinner tonight.
JM-It was reported on channel 6 news that the jurors felt like they could come to an agreement. Was this stated in court or was this just speculation?
Budman - It would be nice if Emily was around so SHE could be having a big steak tonight! Jerry still gets to have dinner, even if it is in jail.
I agree Gertie .
All I want to know is how can the jury find Jerry guilty when three eye witnesses saw Emily alive after she went missing. The state has not presented anything but circumstantial evidence but the defense has presented eye witnesses. I might be wrong but I personally think that eye witnesses are much more reliable that circumstantial
The jury count has to be 11-1, at the most 10-2 (not guilty of course). I have followed this trial for some time and I am completely appalled by the jury taking this long!! What are they thinking? There is not one shred of physical evidence that directly links this man to the crime and some juror is actually considering sending this man to death row! Reasonable Doubt? I find it very difficult to believe a grand jury even indicted him based on the evidence that has been presented in court.
Who is Jonni Joyce?
Did those "eye witnesses" know Emily? How can you be sure the person they "say" they saw was even her? How long after the fact did they look at a picture and say it was her? People tend to see what they want to see.
It was known that Emily was afraid of Jerry, he stood to gain $4.5 MILLION dollars - that's pretty good motive if you ask me. If she had left him, she would have taken clothes, personal belongings, her pets that she LOVED (she wouldn't have left them with him for fear he wouldn't have taken care of them), and she would have contacted her family to let them know what was going on so they wouldn't be worried about her. That's the kind of person Emily was.
I agree with GET REAL.
lenoirgal-jonni joyce was the cavader dog expert they talked about in the beginning that was testifing about the mcneil cavader dog guy
I don't know who Jonni Joyce is
Emily had her steak dinner with her boyfriend in s.c.
If I am not mistaken Jonni Joyce was the dog expert that was brought in to disproof the dog handler Mcneil. I can't swear to this but I am thinking that is who that is.
Jerry had means, motive, time to hide evidence, and time to construct an alibi. The workers on the farm testified to seeing Emily and Jerry go into the field, and Jerry return alone. They were told to clean up the loader - which they said was unusual, they were told to change the oil filters and back date them. Seems to me there is plenty of evidence to find him guilty. "GET REAL" how can they NOT.
BUDMAN - Emily didn't have a boyfriend - she had an abusive, MURDERER for a husband. I hope he never gets another steak dinner unless it is his last meal on this earth before he gets sent straight to H _ _ _!
Gertie while i don't know Emily personally . This much i do know . The law is very simple . The jury must render a verdict based on The Evidence That was presented in the case . The prosecution had almost none . Their first witness lied immediately after getting on the stand . Then they put out a theory in closing arguement That hadn't even been brought up during the whole cousre of the Trial. I am not say he is Guilty or Not Guilty . I just know that they shouldn't convict anyone if the prosecution had a case like this . Also if he is Guilty he desrves no mercy !
Budman... here's your last meal... a big ol' plate of shut the hell up.
He WILL be found. NOT GUITY!!!
We can agree to disagree about the verdict. We can all express our opinions about who did it, but what we SHOULD NOT do is write unkind, ugly things about an innocent woman who was brutally murdered. Whether you think Jerry Anderson did it or not is beside the point. Emily didn't deserve what happened to her and she doesn't deserve to have her name dragged through the mud now.
sawmillman- i totally agree-those closing arguements (specelatulations) were uncalled for.
And until you get your facts straight why dont you shut the hell up. You sound like the stupid det that investicated the case.
That's the easy thing to do though... trash the victim... she can't speak to defend herself. It's a shame that she's not able to look down and see which of her friends have abandoned her and taken Jerry's side in all this.
Gertie i have but one question for you ma'am .How do you or anyone else on this blog know for sure that Emily wasn't having an affair.Understand I am not saying she was . But there is no way you me or anyone else on here can say that wasn't happening . Like i said the verdict must be rendered according to LAWS not OPINIONS !
Boy... I'm tellin' ya... if it's a hung jury and Jerry gets the chance to get out on bond, they're gonna have to take up a big love offering at Dry Ponds for him.
to larry,
The eye witnesses that you think were so great, were looking at a picture of Emily with blond hair. Did you know she had DARK Brown hair before she went missing and did you know she had DARK Brown hair when they found her body? An eye witness is really not that reliable. The person that stated she saw Emily in tan slacks, nice blouse and nice shoes, was just plain lying. Check her out for a motive why she made that statement. Could it be she has a relative in Jail and was asked to give that testimony in exchange for favors for her relative? Emily was described as wearing work clothes and work boots on the 29th by Jerry and guess what, when they found her she was wearing exactly what Jerry said she was wearing. The Mexicans were lying about seeing them go into the woods and Jerry coming out but not Emily and they also lied about the shots they heard. They lied about the Oil filters and how Jerry asked them to say he had been changing the filters on the 29th of Dec. GET REAL! The mexicans risk a lot and could gain nothing by telling what they knew. Antonio, is an American Citizen I'm told. What about Emily? Who is trying to stand up for her? Certainly not anyone in Sawmills whose name starts with a "R".
I agree with Gertie. No one should be dragging Emily's name through the mud.
Even if she was having an affair that doesn't mean that her being killed was okay.
The Ramseys will bail him out Sawmillscitizen .
U go Gertie!!!! Tell it like it is. I believe he's guilty & he don't deserve a steak, he deserves a letal injection!
Could it be she has a relative in Jail and was asked to give that testimony in exchange for favors for her relative?---????????????????????????????????????? HUH?
Get this straight TWJ no one ever said it was okay for her to be killed . I am completely against murder unless your life is threatened . I am merely stating the facts .Thank you and have A BLESSED DAY .
Dream on
Here we go again! lol! Bottom line, the Mexicans could have lied. The Insurance money was to go to the bank and was required by the bank. There is no way that Jerry could have made it to Duncan SC and back to NC in four hours with a truck, without bringing attention to himself, he could not have unloaded the truck - flatened the tire, hid the body, and make it back. Anyone who has traveled those routes know that you will always run into traffic. I have driven from Rutherford College to Spartanburg SC going through Rutherfordton, Shelby, Gastonia, Lincolnton and I drive on average of 65 + miles per hour. It still takes me 1 hour 45mins at the shortest - most of the time it takes me 2 hours. It does not add up. You cannot make it add up. It was proven that EA was going to leave JA, why? Why did she leave her previous Husbands, notice the plural of that word. Husbands. I am sorry for what happened to her, i feel for her family. I have always been told though, you have made your bed now lie in it. It is all very sad. To me it looks like a love affair gone bad. The Defense didnt make me believe that the Prosecution did.
It was my understanding that the man who "lied" on the stand was hispanic and there were language issues. He didn't understand that he was to give his full name, not the name he goes by. In my book that doesn't discount his entire testimony. And as to the prosecution's closing statements, it's just that, statements. He can tell the jury why he thinks they should find the defendant guilty, and I don't know that there is a rule that states the prosecution can't give their views as to how the crime happened. If that was a breech of conduct, Lisa Dubbs would have screamed mistrial (as she like to do so much in the early days of the trial). The judge would have also reprimanded him and had the jury disregard those statements. And as far as the jury not finding him guilty because of a lack of evidence - other juries have found people guilty of murder when there was no body - and only circumstantial evidence.
And finally, if Emily was having an affair, she would have told her close friend or her sister.
Lee I am confused, you said, "The person that stated she saw Emily in tan slacks, nice blouse and nice shoes, was just plain lying. Check her out for a motive why she made that statement. Could it be she has a relative in Jail and was asked to give that testimony in exchange for favors for her relative?"
That would have to be offered by the State, or Prosecutor, the Defense could not offer her any kind of plea, or favor. The only agency that has the authority to do something like that would be the FBI, or some other three letter agency. Movies are not reality. Also, how do you know that the Mexicans were not lying, oppps they were, the first one to get on the stand lied about who he really was under oath swearing on the bible. The proof was that Jerry did not commit this murder. Plain and simple. I am not sure who you are, I assume you are a member or the family and or a friend, I am truly sorry for your loss but the fact remains Jerry does not deserve to spend the rest of his life in prison or even death for something that he had no control over. I am with Sawmillman, how does anyone know that she was NOT having an affair? How does anyone know that truly JA committed this crime? You do not. You can only use the evidence that is presented and that is all.
In my opinion the “eyewitness” testimony of those claiming to have seen EA in Duncan, S.C. is very believable. Consider all testimony from the medical examiners concerning the number of days EA had been deceased. The eyewitness accounts of EA are more consistent with the medical examiners timeframe when compared to the prosecutions theory.
Emily made bad choices in husbands - especially the last one!!! That does not make her a bad person. Jerry had 2 other wives - notice that's PLURAL ALSO. To bad the judge wouldn't allow those marriges to be brought up in the trial. I'll bet those women have some "interesting" Jerry stories they could tell. And not all of that money would have gone to the bank. Jerry would have come out of this debt free with money in his pocket - if he hadn't gotten arrested. Jerry made his bed and now he's lining it! I just hope it is in Central Prison on death row before the month is out!
gertie, I doubt that she would have told anyone. That is what affairs are - Private. Under cover secrets. Trust me when I say that he knew exactly what was being asked of him. Mexicans have a way of knowing much more English when they want to. As far as Lisa Dubs yelling mistrial - that is her job that she is employed by the state of NC to do. Surely you do not fault her for doing what the state requires her to do? As far as yelling mistrial during a closing argument that is not allowed. She cannot object in a closing argument. That is what is called in the world of lawyers as a last ditch effort to sway a jury when there is not a strong case, get em at the end when you can say whatever you want.
Also, let me say, I am truly sorry for the loss of EA. It is a terrible terrible thing for anyone to loose their life at the hands of another. Whoever did this will have to pay. I just do not think that it is Mr. Anderson.
Gertie, all the prosecution had to do is call his ex wives as witnesses to his temper, disposition anything that would have been relevant to the case of the murder of Emily, by the prosecution not calling those women they obviously had nothing at all they could say to disparage him or prove that he was violent. Let me ask you a question, completely hypothetical. I assume that you knew Emily? You don’t have to answer that but let’s assume that you did. She is having an affair, wants out of the marriage, she is going to tell her friends and family all of the things - bad things that Jerry is, has done to her to make herself look better in their eyes, could that be possible? Could she have been embarrassed that another marriage didn’t work out? Could she have been making people believe that Jerry was bad to her so that she would have an excuse to go through the divorce? As far as the Insurance they both were heavily insured for their responsibilities. I am not sure that he would have benefited from any of that money and that is according to the testimony in the case.
sawmillman I don't believe I was saying that it was okay either. And the reason for my comment was that people were making comments about her having an affair and to me (in my opinion, you know here in America we're allowed to have those)it's irrevelant if she was or not. She's not on trial here her husband is and I don't think people should be speculating whether or not she was having an affair.
If you believe the eye witness account, then you have to believe that the murderer placed Emily's body into the truck's tool box while it was parked in a the waffle house/hotel packing lot. The truck was seen in that parking lot on 12/30 and the truck did not move. But Emily was supposedly seen alive and walking around on Tuesday. So based on the eye witness siteing you have to believe the murder took place elsewhere and the murderer carried the lifeless, bloody victim across a public parking lot, climbed up into the back of a truck whle holding the body, opened up the tool box and threw the body in? The murderer did all that manuevering of a dead body in a public place without anyone seeing him/her or without leaving one drop of evidence, such as blood or dirt, in and around the truck -- not even in the truck bed.
I don't think so.
also was it not said by her good friend who lives out of state that she planed on leaving him before the first of the year. Dec. 29th is pretty close to the first of the year if i rember correctly.
Tos you make a good point. If that is the case then someone had to drive it to the Waffle House? An accomplice? Did anyone ever find out who the people at the PD said they saw her with, some other person on the 29th?
one last post..if the workers on the farm no so much why cant they tell how JA got the truck to SC and what time he left the farm with it? Mabey their is a back gate off the may road, if so why could EA not also drove away unnoticed by anyone?
I can see another free lunch in the works .ck the jurors weight weight be for the trial I bet they have gain 12 to 15 lbs
Soccerjox - obviously you did not know Emily, so you can think what you want. Other people saw the way he treated her, it wasn't a secret. You can believe what you want about Jerry Anderson's innocence or guilt, as someone stated, this is America - but so can I. I'll believe until the day I take my last breath that he killed her and no one will make me believe otherwise.
Was Emily Jerry's first wife? I heard he was married before and the two of them went on vacation and both went out into the ocean but he was the only one that came out? Not sure how true this is, I didn't know Jerry or Emily I was just curious. If this is true don't you think its alittle odd?
david - if she was leaving him she would have told her family so they wouldn't be worried about her and, as stated before, she would have taken clothes, pets, medicines, personal belongings (family photos of her deceased parents, etc). She wouldn't have left that stuff for Jerry to destroy.
tos-good job. I have been following this trial from the beginning and I haven't known anyone to bring up this point. Did the prosecution not think of this?
Gertie, You are right I didn’t know her, and maybe if I did I would think differently, but what I can do that obviously you cannot (I do not mean that in a bad way) is look at all of it independently without emotion. What I am trying to get you to do is look at the facts, there is no evidence that he killed her. So until your last breath huh, even say in the next year they have to actually do some investigating and they find the real killer? Why didn’t all of you that knew her, if she was in such a dangerous position with JA get her out of there?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they find fingerprints at the front of the toolbox? If so, whose were they?
They found five sets of fingerprints on the truck if i'm not wrong POOHBEAR.
Sawmillman-Did they say whose they were?
Never did poohbear ! Get what ya can from it !
Im not putting much stock in the eyewitness. When you see a picture on tv or the newspaper and there is drama attached with it (like murder) you can see that person everywhere. My mom looks ALOT like Emily. Their hair is the same, they are about the same age, wear the same style glasses and skin tone is the same. It is kinda scary how much they resemble each other. Had she been in S.C. I would swear they had seen her instead of Emily. That is one of the many tricks our mind and sub concious plays on us. I highly doubt they did in fact see Emily. Just another woman with the same hair.
At the same truck where she was found? How likely is that? And who were the people that were getting in and out of this truck while it was parked there? Also her glasses were found in the hotel room? You guys like to reference OJ reference this! If it doesnt fit you must aquit!
Were those really Emily's glasses they found in the hotel room? From what I remember, no one bothered to go to SC and check them out.
I am amazed at the comprehension kills you people posess..The prints were unidentifiable....This forum is turning into a real fiasco..From bitterness and hate to rude remarks about both parties involved..I can assume that most of you are adults,so behave like one...Holy shit people if I put you all in one room together I could make a murder mystery out of it as soon as I turned the light's off..Some of you would be killing each other.....I, being a citizen of the area have followed this from day one with an unbiased opinion...I watched this trial through this forum and the newspapers which only gives us a glimpse....Based on the facts presented in this court case,I being a juror would have to find the defendant "not guilty" based upn that evidence..We are insructed as jurors not to base decisions upon heartfelt feelings...Thats why Judge Cayer instructed the jurors to reconcile indifferences and keep deliberating.
Many people in this community believe Jerry is guilty and many believe in his innocence...The truth will never be known for the simple fact Emily is dead and no-one will own up to the truth,ever.Only she knows the murderer and she can't tell....That's a shame..That is something we will have to live with.
One more thing....Before asking any more dumb questions pertaining to this case I suggest you read and re-read this over...The answers you seek are here...Thanks...
I also feel this is not the place to make a folly out of someone elses demise..That is in regard to both Emily and Jerry...Leave that up to a higher power of your choice...We all have skeletons in our closets and were not raised in glass houses....
Lee, wouldn't it be justice if they have a hung jury, think about it this guy's life is shot.
His own attorney said work was his life, well with no insurance, no CAFO, just a few friends who don't think he is guilty, i think this is poetic to say the least.
Emily was talked about and not here to defend herself, let him spend the rest of his life defending himself.
People were not getting in and out of the truck. There were no eye glasses found in a hotel room.
Soccerjox - the family tried to get her to stay in KY after Thanksgiving, but she said she had to go home to take care of business first and she'd be back to stay before long and that she'd be okay. I guess she was wrong.
Craig-Sorry to ask dumb questions, but instead of spending hours going back over the weeks of this trial and all the comments trying to find an answer to a simple question, I thought I'd ask fine people such as yourself. (Not to be rude to the people who are nice enough to answer.)
Someone said that the Ramseys would post bond for Jerry if there was a hung jury. If they denied bond because he was a flight risk before, why would he be able to get out now? Wouldn't he have to stay in jail until the verdict is reached in the next trial?
RE: gertie...That will be left to the presiding judges discretion whether or not bail can be set.
someone should contact Haunted Investigations for this case. I believe in them, maybe they can solve this crime, before he gets out & lives a millionaire.
Craig- thank you! Well put!
Soccerjox, if you an answer a couple thing I'll agree that Anderson is not guilty, how do you know when the truck when to SC? How did the killer get her in the tool box?
The eyewitness you are basing your opinion on are the same who said the truck was first seem there on Saturday, if you believe one thing you must believe the other.
About Emily's marriages, don't you think Dubbs would have had them there so fast it would have taken a week for theirs butts to have caught up it anything about her running off was true?
yes i was a friend of emily for a very short time,i really miss her,there are some of us that really had our lives impacted by her,the pictures you see of emily do not do her justice, she had the warmest, largest smile GOD ever blessed anyone with,for those of you that never met emily i am sorry, you missed out on one of GODS most wonderful creations!! i don't care if she was married one time or five, it doesn't really matter,she didn't deserve to die as she did, she should have lived out the rest of her wonderful christian life, as a warm caring, loving christian person that loved her LORD, loved her friends, her church, would never hurt anyone,i for one only met jerry twice, once at christmas before she died, and at emily's receiving,i hold on to the fact that i for one think he is not guilty,i live in AMERICA, where by the grace of GOD he is innocent till proven guilty!! did he kill her, who knows,if he did we can't punish him enough,GOD will deal with him in a great and mighty way!!emily had some wonderful friends that miss her so bad, life for her friends will never be the same, i will never be able to look up into the choir at church,with out missing her and her beautiful smile,those of you that never met emily or saw her and her friends all sitting in the choir together, really missed a blessing, such smiles, smiles that will never be forgotten, all i can say is emily, your friends miss you, and somday you will be reunited with your choir friends and what a heavenly chorus that will be,GOD has a special ANGEL, that will prepare a place for her friends and loved ones!!emily we love you and miss you!!
RE: Brieanne...Thank you...I mean no ill repute to anyone..I realize this is a forum of opinion for anyone..Anticipation does however,happen to bring out the worst in people..
Be patient..The end, or the beginning of a new trial is near..We shall all be satisfied soon in one way or another...Then return and speak your mind on the verdict...I am anxious to hear the viewpoints...Thats a story in itself I would imagine...
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